Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On Melancholy Hill

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn by nominator: charting on UK dance charts makes it clear WP:NSONGS, no one arguing for deletion.—Kww(talk) 15:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

On Melancholy Hill

This is just an album track. No charts. No cover versions recorded by multiple artists. No awards. Fails WP:NSONGS. Efforts to redirect, as indicated by WP:NSONGS, have been thwarted. —Kww(talk) 14:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm expanding my deletion argument, because all the "keep" arguments so far show a lack of comprehension of the relevant guideline. WP:NSONGS is quite specific about what songs qualify for individual articles, and arguments to keep this one need to refer to that guideline. What I see about is essentially "it really is a song", which is not the stuff of which policy arguments are made. From WP:NSONGS:

• "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

• Specifically states that the requirements for songs include WP:N. The requirements laid down by WP:NSONGS are in addition to WP:N.

• "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is in general not notable; however, it may be notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting."

• This doesn't apply to this discussion, as it is about albums.

• "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song."

• Pretty basic guidance: in general, don't write separate articles for songs, cover them in sections of larger articles.

• "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable."

• Here's the major exception: songs that have charted, won awards, or been covered by multiple artists can get articles.

• "Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album."

• Even if the article charted, won awards, or been covered by multiple artists, it may not deserve an article.

So, given all of that, the test for "passing WP:NSONGS" is "received coverage in multiple reliable sources" AND (charted, won an award, or been covered by multiple artists) AND "received enough coverage that we can write more than a stub". Coverage first, and then does something that qualified. This song doesn't meet those conditions.—Kww(talk) 19:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

• Keep it has been confirmed for release as a single and a music video has been released. Keytar Shredder : Talk To Me 14:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

• None of which contribute to passing WP:NSONGS.—Kww(talk) 15:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - There is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article, the song is due for release July, a cover is available, a video is available and is receiving considerable attention online, the song has been performed live on tv. --Jenx222 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
  • The single has charted in the UK dance chart --Jenx222 (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - Have a music cover, a music video, a tracklisting, a release date, in my birthday :D, have coverage with reliable sources. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 18:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.